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Autor: Straccio Gianluca (Firma: FIAT CNH) (augustus)
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I'm an italian embedded engineer,
 my german is quite poor, at the moment,
 so i prefer writing in english.

 Here,there are some rumors of a lack
 of engineers in germany, is that true?

 Is there anyone here, who could help me to
 gain a better understanding of the german
 job market for electrical engineers?


 Regards,
 Gluca.

Autor: Ben ___ (burning_silicon)
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if you don't speak german forget about searching a job in germany. we 
have plenty of engineers but almost everywhere on this planet they're 
better paid than in germany.

Autor: Straccio Gianluca (Firma: FIAT CNH) (augustus)
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Ben _ schrieb:

> .... almost everywhere on this planet they're
> better paid than in germany.

 Really?

 Italian average is 30000Eur/year gross salary
 in very expensive locations.

 G.

Autor: Andrew Taylor (marsufant)
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Straccio Gianluca schrieb:
> Ben _ schrieb:
>
>> .... almost everywhere on this planet they're
>> better paid than in germany.
>
>  Really?
>
>  Italian average is 30000Eur/year gross salary
>  in very expensive locations.
>
>  G.

Where in Italy?
I would apply there at once. Great salary!

Autor: Straccio Gianluca (Firma: FIAT CNH) (augustus)
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Andrew Taylor schrieb:

> Where in Italy?
> I would apply there at once. Great salary!

 Try Milan or Rome.

 Great Salary!?

 Our taxation approches 50% of total incomes,
 renting a flat in that cities costs an average
 of 500-800Eur/month.

 Do your considerations.

 G.

Autor: Florian *.* (haribohunter)
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You dont need to talk german in germany.
Alot of italians work here since 30 years
or more and only communicate in their motherlanguage.

Autor: Straccio Gianluca (Firma: FIAT CNH) (augustus)
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Florian *.* schrieb:
> You dont need to talk german in germany.
> Alot of italians work here since 30 years
> or more and only communicate in their motherlanguage.

 Well, i'm not going to work in a resturant,
 moreover i like german lenguage.

 G.

Autor: anonµm (Gast)
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Straccio Gianluca schrieb:
> Italian average is 30000Eur/year gross salary
> in very expensive locations.

As a graduate engineer of university you get between 35000€ and 60000€ 
gross salary. The tax situation is similar to Italy so you get about 
50-60% net (tax is 40-50%).
Here is a calculator: 
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/service/0,1518,22...

>  renting a flat in that cities costs an average of 500-800Eur/month.

I believe you want to live in an big city like Berlin, Munich, 
Frankfurt, Hamburg, Nuremberg. The rent for a flat there is about the 
same as you wrote.

Of course everyone graduated can and does frequently speak English, but 
i think you will run into some difficulties if you do not speak a single 
sentence German.

Autor: anonµm (Gast)
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Florian *.* schrieb:
> Alot of italians work here since 30 years
> or more and only communicate in their motherlanguage.

So ein Quatsch, das sind die allerwenigsten. Da gibt es andere Gruppen 
(vornehmlich Türken) bei denen die Sache ganz anders aussieht.

Autor: Gianluca Nadello (Gast)
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Hello, welcome in the UC.NET. It is fine to have U here.

I am a project manager for automotive electronics and software in NRW 
and yes, we currently have a big flaw of engineers, especially in the 
field of requirement engineering. The problem is, that we need 
specialized knowhow in automotive business such as a-SPICE, VDA / 
regular affair issues and more like that. Also SAP, Doors and ClearQuest 
is a must.

Do you have such?? - I could offer you an assistant job as junior 
project manager for italy to manage our fab there, so some residance in 
your home country will take place too. The compensation rate ranges from 
70k-90k, depending on the knowledge and contract details. Because of the 
german taxes, this equals to 50k-65k in italy.

But: Unlike other people said, it is essential to speak and write both 
german and english very fluently to communicate quickly with all the 
relevant persons and institutions in our company. It is also necessary 
to write and read docs in english and german effectively.

Can you do that? - If so, you might have brillant options here in 
germany at the moment.

Another option might be a more development orientated job in one of my 
departments. They work at firmware for both UC and FPGA for test 
equipment. Xilinx and Lattice Knowhow is required for this. Rates range 
from 60k-70k for FPGA engineers with at least 5y of knowhow.

If you have only basic knowledge in development or technics, I must say 
that we have more applications than we require atm. There are about 3-4 
open jobs for technical engineers (beginners or experience below 2y) 
AFAIK in some depts, but more than 50 applications for this according to 
the human resource dept. This is also the reason, why no searches are 
triggered atm.

Autor: Straccio Gianluca (Firma: FIAT CNH) (augustus)
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Gianluca Nadello schrieb:
> Hello, welcome in the UC.NET. It is fine to have U here.
>

 Nadello ?
 Italian origin?

> specialized knowhow in automotive business such as a-SPICE, VDA /
> regular affair issues and more like that. Also SAP, Doors and ClearQuest
> is a must.

 Instead,i'm a design engineer: Hw as well as Fw engineer,
 working in the embedded ( general ) field.
 Currently i'm contracted in Fiat Tractors.

 I've been using simulator programs like Pspice, versioning program
 like Clearcase and bug tracking rograms like bug-zilla.

> But: Unlike other people said, it is essential to speak and write both
> german and english very fluently to communicate quickly with all the
> relevant persons and institutions in our company. It is also necessary
> to write and read docs in english and german effectively.

  I'm supposed to speak english quite fluently; consider that
  some of our pm come from England and do not speak italian,
  even after years spent here.
  But about german, i'm studying, i'm quite immature at the moment.


> Another option might be a more development orientated job in one of my
> departments. They work at firmware for both UC and FPGA for test
> equipment. Xilinx and Lattice Knowhow is required for this. Rates range
> from 60k-70k for FPGA engineers with at least 5y of knowhow.


   I've been working mainly on uc during these years: 8-16-32bit.

   Any chances?

   G.

Autor: Andrew Taylor (marsufant)
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Straccio Gianluca schrieb:
> Andrew Taylor schrieb:
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>> Where in Italy?
>> I would apply there at once. Great salary!
>
>  Try Milan or Rome.

Great place to be.

>
>  Great Salary!?

Excellent salary.

>
>  Our taxation approches 50% of total incomes,


same in Germany, so why do you complain?
bad news: No bunga-bunga parties here.

>  renting a flat in that cities costs an average
>  of 500-800Eur/month.

Mine is 1600 Eur/month, so I'll take the challenge.

>
>  Do your considerations.

here:
Tutto a posto, e niente in ordinee


,-)

>

Autor: ... - - - ... (Gast)
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>Mine is 1600 Eur/month, so I'll take the challenge.

bewohnst du eine Villa?

Autor: Andrew Taylor (marsufant)
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... - - - ... schrieb:
>>Mine is 1600 Eur/month, so I'll take the challenge.
>
> bewohnst du eine Villa?

LOL. Wenn es eine Villa wäre, wäre das zehnmal so teuer.

Autor: ... - - - ... (Gast)
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:-)

Autor: Pete K. (pete77)
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Try searching at these commonly used platforms:
www.stepstone.de or www.stepstone.com
www.monster.de or www.monster.com
www.jobs.de
If you are familiar with Xing try searching there (www.xing.com)

If you know some companies which are in your eyes worth looking at, use 
their website.

The salary depends on the size of the company, the region and especially 
your skills and knowledge.

Good luck!

Autor: Hotte (Gast)
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Wer sagt denn, dass es hier keine Bunga-Bunga-parties gibt? :-)

Autor: Thomas Werner (Gast)
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Try to go to USA. It is a nive place to work. I rencently used to work 
in our department in Warren. (GM). Beeing am european and working more 
than 7Ms in USA will save you a lot of taxes in germany.

Autor: Straccio Gianluca (Firma: FIAT CNH) (augustus)
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Pete K. schrieb:
> Try searching at these commonly used platforms:
........
> The salary depends on the size of the company, the region and especially
> your skills and knowledge.
>
> Good luck!

 Vielen Dank

Autor: Straccio Gianluca (Firma: FIAT CNH) (augustus)
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Thomas Werner schrieb:
> Try to go to USA. It is a nive place to work. I rencently used to work
> in our department in Warren. (GM). Beeing am european and working more
> than 7Ms in USA will save you a lot of taxes in germany.

This is interesting, where could i find more informations
about that?

G.

Autor: C3PO (Gast)
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Hello,

you can also try to contact an italian company which has subsidiaries in 
Germany. Maybe they offer some jobs in DE.

Other than that in a lot of German companies it is not an issue if you 
don't speak the local language from the beginning as long as your 
English is fine. Of course you should be willing to learn it when being 
here. Bigger companies even offer German lessons on their expense.

Especially in the semiconductor industry there are a lot of job 
opportunities right now where international applicants are considered.

So don't worry too much, just start sending out your applications to 
some German companies in English language or contact some headhunters.

C3PO

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