Forum: Offtopic Wir sind die Guten!

Autor: Rüdiger Knörig (sleipnir)

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"TSKHINVALI, SOUTH OSSETIA - In a speech before the United Nations last 
month, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili implored world leaders to 
set up an international investigation to find out the truth about the 
war in South Ossetia.
I couldn't agree more. But I think the results of an honest 
investigation would reveal a very different "truth" than what President 
Saakashvili claims.
I know this because I was in Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, 
on Aug. 7 when Georgian troops marched into the city and killed my 
friends and neighbors. I huddled with my family in terror for three 
nights while Saakashvili's tanks and rockets destroyed hundreds of our 
homes, desecrated cemeteries, gutted schools and hospitals.
I also have good reason not to trust what Saakashvili says. For three 
days before the attack I had been getting calls from many Georgian 
friends warning me to get out. They said Saakashvili was planning an 
attack. Most of the Georgians living in South Ossetia left because they 
knew what was coming.
On the night of Aug. 7, Saakashvili went on television and assured the 
frightened civilian population of South Ossetia that he would not attack 
us. This was long after the time Saakashvili now claims Russians had 
begun "invading" Georgia.
Ossetians went to bed relieved and thankful for a peaceful night.
Less than two hours later, according to credible international accounts, 
his artillery, bombers, and three brigades of ground troops unleashed 
what I can only describe as a fierce hell on our city. In the moment, we 
knew only our fear as we hid. Afterward I spoke with hundreds of 
Ossetians to find out what was done to us.
My friend's elderly father tried to douse the flames set by Georgian 
fire on the home he had built with his hands. His leg was severed by 
shrapnel from Georgian weapons. He bled to death while his disabled wife 
crawled from their burning home.
Ossetians saw Georgian tanks firing into basements where women and 
children hid for safety They saw fleeing families shot down by Georgian 
snipers. We learned that the Georgian military had used Grad rocket 
systems and cluster bombs against Tskhinvali.
Yes, I would very much like to see an international commission 
investigate the truth of what happened.
When I came out from hiding, thanking God that the Russians had saved 
our lives, I was dismayed by the reaction of the international media to 
what had happened. There was nothing about Ossetian deaths and the 
unprovoked horrors inflicted by Saakashvili's military. It made my heart 
The truth has been crushed by Georgia's powerful public relations 
machine as mercilessly as Georgian tanks rolled over the defenseless 
civilians of Tskhinvali.
I know that Americans are a generous and fair people. But Americans 
haven't been told the truth about what happened to us. Americans don't 
understand that Ossetians are an independent, Christian Orthodox people 
with a deep history in our land. The world talks only about Georgian 
freedom. What of freedom for my people? Does our suffering, do our 
voices, mean nothing?
I don't blame the Georgian people for what happened to us. The vast 
number of Ossetians and Georgians want to live in peace. I blame 
Georgia's leaders.
Saakashvili has persuaded the world that he is a "beacon" of democracy 
and openness. But he won't even tell his own people the truth. My 
Georgian friends weren't allowed to see any Russian news sites during 
the conflict because all of those sites were blocked by Saakashvili's 
I know we are a small people, and I make no claim to understanding the 
experts in geopolitics with their theories and pronouncements about the 
great powers. But I have fought for women's rights in Ossetia for 12 
years and I believe in the truth.
In a recent article, Saakashvili cynically dismissed Ossetian suffering 
and deaths because, he said, Russia had "lied" about how many of my 
people were killed by the Georgian military.
It breaks my heart to even engage in this discussion. No one – including 
Saakashvili – knows how many Ossetians were killed by his Army. I have 
friends who buried loved ones in their backyards because there were no 
alternatives. Many people are still missing.
Does Saakashvili believe his vicious attack on a civilian city was 
justified if he only killed a few hundred rather than a few thousand? Do 
Americans realize that a military trained and equipped by the US 
government attacked a civilian population as they slept in their beds? 
Can they justify sending another billion dollars to Georgia and nothing 
for those Georgia attacked?
I have made an urgent appeal to the world for humanitarian relief for 
our people at the website helpossetianow.org. I beg the United States 
and the world to find out the truth. Please hear our voices.
• Lira Tskhovrebova is the founder of the Association of South Ossetian 
Women for Democracy and Human Rights and has worked for more than a 
decade to improve relations between people of Georgian and Ossetian 
descent in the Caucasus."

Autor: Timbo (Gast)

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Oaoaoaoaoa, Sleipnir, Du und Deine Anti-US-Paranoia. Die Georgier haben 
versucht eine aufständische Region unter ihre Kontrolle zu bringen, die 
Russen dagegen, haben wie im Irak, ein souveränes Land angegriffen. 
Entweder man rechtfertig den Irakkrieg damit, dass man Saddam am Morden 
gehindert hat oder man verurteilt die Russen genauso wie die Amis. Suchs 
Dir raus.

Autor: hmm (Gast)

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>Die Georgier haben versucht eine aufständische Region unter ihre >Kontrolle zu 
bringen, die Russen dagegen, haben wie im Irak, ein >souveränes Land angegriffen.

Man könnte es aber auch so sehen, die Georgier haben versucht einer 
Region (mit Waffengewalt) die eigene Entscheidungsgewalt zu entziehen 
und die Russen haben der Region beigestanden.

Klar das jetzt wieder die Russen die Buhmänner sind, weil sie ja 
zahlenmäßig den Georgiern überlegen sind. Das aber die Georgier der 
"aufständigen Region" ebenfalls zahlenmäßig weit überlegen sind, ist 
natürlich etwas ganz anderes.

Es ist wie in der Schule :P. Der Raufbold aus der 8.Klasse versucht dem 
4te Klässler das Pausengeld zu klauen und der 12. Klässler hilft dem 4te 
Klässler und knöpft sich den 8te Klässler vor.

Wer bekommt am Ende den ganzen Ärger? Richtig der 12te Klässler

Autor: Uhu Uhuhu (uhu)

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Timbo, du hast mal wieder überhaupt nix verstanden. Scheint eine deiner 
Invarianten zu sein...

The boss loves idiots.

Autor: Matthias Lipinsky (lippy)

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Immer wieder interessant wieviel Zeit die Leute an Unis so haben

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